A place where Colorado Rockies baseball card collectors (all 3 of us) can waste some time reading about our favorite sport. The Rockies and their cards will be the primary focus, but I like to go off on tangents as well so anything and everything baseball related may be covered here.

Saturday, February 6, 2021

Rating the Rookie Cups - a Refresher + the Best of All Time

 


 

As some of you may remember, I have a very large Topps All Star rookie cup collection.  It's not complete because I am still missing about 30% of the 60s cards and a handful from the 70s, but I am 100% finished from 1980-2020.  This includes cards that do not have cups because Topps in their infinite wisdom decided to not put them on their cards for several years despite continuing to pick the teams.  Go figure.


This series is about looking back at the selections from each year and seeing whether the selection to the Cup Team was warranted, looking at some guys that probably should have made it, seeing how rookie years and careers stacked up against peers, and other fun stuff.  Before my hiatus, I made it through around 15 or so years.  I will probably re-do those for a couple of reasons one of which I will go into detail a little further down.  Another reason is that careers have changed since 2013.  When I analyzed the 2011 Topps team, they were only 3 years into their careers, but now most of them are past their peaks and we can more readily compare them to greats from the past.  I will keep the old stories on the blog even when I redo the years, because I am not a fan of deleting knowledge at all.  Plus I worked pretty hard on the old stuff, so I just don't want to delete it.  But I do want to update it.  


The way I rate the rookie cups is on a 1-10 scale.  Nothing fancy or too specific.  For example, if there are 60 shortstops, the top 6 would be 10s, the next 6 would be 9s, and so on.  And I do that for both the rookie year and for an entire career.  That way you can see that even though someone like Pat Listach whose career did not work out well, he could still have a high number for the season.  Conversely, someone like Joe Mauer that made the team despite only playing a month would not look good in the season comparison, but in the career category would be much higher.  


The main thing that is different is that last time I basically just used my gut feeling for assigning number ratings to a player.  This time I built and maintain a spreadsheet with full stats for each rookie cup recipient.  Yes, I am a dork, why do you ask?  The stats I use will not be something that frequent visitors to Fangraphs will think highly of for the most part.  I use the stats that are on the back of the baseball cards instead of some algorithm that decides who would be best if the seasons were played 10,000 times in a vacuum.  I do use WAR as one of the categories just to show that I am not completely old school.  Although the WAR does change for past seasons often, which is one reason I don't put much stock in the stat.  Pete Rose's hit total in 1973 will never change, so why should his WAR from the same year?  But I digress.  I just do a simple roto style points system to figure out how Player A compares to everyone else at the same position.  With pitchers, I use the right handed and left handed that Topps has always used, but I also go back and moved relievers into the comparable relief pitcher category to make comparisons more equal.  


As a reward for making it this far, I will showcase the #1 player at each position based on my system.  This will be the #1 guy for the rookie year only, not the career.  I am saving that for the individual year posts.  You can use this information as a measuring stick for how reliable my system is or is not.  I'm not changing it regardless, but at you can think I am a moron if you want to.


Catcher - Mike Piazza (1993)


First Base - Alvin Davis (1984)


Second Base - Dan Uggla (2006)


Third Base - Dick Allen (1964)


Shortstop - Hanley Ramirez (2006)


Outfield #1 - Mike Trout (2012)


Outfield #2 - Tony Oliva (1964)


Outfield #3 - Fred Lynn (1975)


Right Handed Starter - Dwight Gooden (1984)


Left Handed Starter - Gary Peters (1963)


Relief Pitcher - Dellin Betances (2014)



The two 1965s are Google images, but the rest are mine.  There you have it.  My selections for the best at each position are just by the numbers, but that doesn't make them infallible either.  Do you have a pick that you think is a better choice?  Is there a particularly surprising choice among the groups?  If there isn't, then you have some kind of weird psychic thing going on, because I know I was surprised multiple times when calculating.  

For example, Gary Peters was particularly surprising, but Fernando Valenzuela would have easily taken the spot if his rookie year were not marred by a strike that cost him about 10 starts.  Even with that handicap, Fernando still ranks 4th among LHPs of all time.  A similar handicap will forever mar the 2020 rookie cup winners as well. 

I was also surprised that there were two winners from three different sets.  I figured with 61 different years there would be more diversity.  Man, that Marlins double play combo was surely something special.  It's a shame they had to play for a franchise that didn't care about winning.


I am going to start next week with the individual year ratings and hopefully you can stop in and enjoy my attempt at analysis.  


Thanx for reading.

Thursday, February 4, 2021

Fixing my complaints

Yesterday I wrote a return post that included a lot more complaining than I would have liked.  Yes, it feels kind of normal to complain about Topps because they are honestly not doing a very good job with their product recently.  However, I decided that instead of complaining and just being negative, I would do something about it.  I would remake a Series 1 team set using only guys that made their Rockies debut in 2020.  I also decided that instead of using a stolen 2020 Donruss design like Topps did, I would use a stolen 1977 Topps design like I did in 2013.  I used the relatively simple, but much more eye appealing, design from my 2013 Quarry Unlimited set to showcase the Rockies from the truncated pandemic season.  

As an aside, was any word more overused when describing last year's season that truncated?  Until 2020, that was a word that you maybe saw 5 times in your life, but last year it felt like every hack sportswriter got the same word of the day calendar and just beat it into the ground describing the 2020 baseball season. Can you think of any other words that you feel like came out of nowhere to be used only in one relatively small situation in life?

Anyway, no one came here to talk about vocabulary, so let's take a look at the debuting Rockies of 2020 in all their purple (and red) majesty. 


 
 
 
  
 

Unfortunately, only one of these guys, Ryan Castellani, is in Series 1 and he had quite a few Bowman cards already.  Owings was in 2020 Update, Kinley was in 2020 Topps Total, and Doyle had some cards in Bowman Draft and Panini EEE a couple years back, but the rest of these guys have had no Rockies cards made.  I enjoy getting cards of my TEAM, not just the superstars of the team.  I ended up making these in about an hour while I had on a rerun of an 80s cop show in the background.  So why does Topps act like it is such a hassle?  I love to collect Charlie Blackmon, but as glorious as his beard is, how many cards does he need each year?  I would much rather have one of these guys instead of my 75th Blackmon or 125th Story or 50th UTROY (ubiquitous team rookie of the year).  
 
As an aside #2, the website where I used to get my card photos has apparently not been adding sports photos since mid 2015, so I had to just go with Google searches here.  Easily found images, but a couple of them are still pretty cool.
 

What do you guys think?  Would you rather stick with current superstars and rookies only pattern or see a switch to an all inclusive style?  I think based on my memory of the community here I already know the answer, but I still think it needs to be said again and again.

As a bonus, here is a 2020 Topps Update card of Kevin Pillar that I was noodling around with a few weeks back.  I'm not 100% happy with it, but it's not horrible either.  I am not a fan of the design and this is probably the only custom of the 2020 design I will ever do, but Pillar definitely looks better in purple than in the Giants garb he sports in the actual 2020 Update set.
 


Not a bad custom, but I would hate to do an entire team set in this design.  It is just not good.  Kind of like the bastard child of 1992 Score and 1993 Ultra.  But I hope you like it anyway.
 
 
Let me know what you think and thanx for reading.

Wednesday, February 3, 2021

A come back + a little bit of complaining.

Hey guys.  I have decided to try and post again on a semi-regular basis.  My scanner is not fully operational at the moment, so you will not be getting pictures for a little bit.  I should have it fixed very shortly.  Honestly I just never really needed it when I wasn't blogging, so replacing it was a very low priority.  But I guess that means until I get that problem fixed, I need a thousand words for each missing picture.  


Just a quick idea for what I intend to write about.  It will mostly be Rockies, but I do plan to break out a couple of my old features and go forth with them.  Rating the Rookie Cups was one of my favorites to write and I will definitely be bringing that back on hopefully a weekly basis.  I have actually maintained and improved my Cup database.  I m such a dork that I have a full rotisserie setup for each position for full season and career comparisons.  I know a lot of you are not into basketball, but I am.  I won't be talking hoops much, but I will on occasion.  For some it will be a learning experience it will be a day to skip past the Quarry.  

 

I won't be doing any type of comprehensive custom card sets like I did for several years, but I will occasionally show off some fun customs I will and have done.  I do still have a 60-70% complete 2015 Quarry Unlimited set that I worked really hard on and will show off.  I also have a fully 100% complete 2015 Quarry Unlimited NBA set to show off as well if there is any interest.  Both sets are based on 1976 Hostess with team colors being used instead of the RWB bicentennial scheme of the original.  Personally, I like the NBA version more just because there is a bigger variety of color there, but they are both fun.


Now that the fun stuff is over, let's talk about 2021 Topps Series 1.


As a Rockies collector, I have gotten used to being beaten down by Topps.  On occasion, they will surprise me in a good way.  As bad as 2020 Update was, the Rockies still had Chris Owings and Phillip Diehl make their Rockies debut in the set.  And there were a couple of other underrepresented Rockies like Jairo Diaz, Jesus Tinoco, and Drew Butera in the set.  Several new Rockies like Daniel Bard and Matt Kemp were missing, but I figured they would be in Series 1 for sure.  So as bad as it was, at least there was something positive about it. 


Then I see the checklist is being released and I get super excited as usual.  Will the Rockies get the 11 cards they should get in the 330 card set?  Will it be the first Rockie cards of Bard, Kemp, or Mychal Givens?  Will likely starting catcher Elias Diaz get his first Rockies card?  Will Antonio Santos be the ubiquitous team rookie that most fans have never heard of?  Will the recently waived rookie Ashton Goudeau get his only Rockies card?   So many questions. 


Then the list came out

24 Nolan Arenado
33 Yonathan Daza
68 Charlie Blackmon
73 Colorado Rockies Team Card
76 Jon Gray
107 David Dahl
129 Daniel Murphy
177 Ryan Castellani RC
206 Wade Davis


Of the 9 cards, there are only 4 players currently on the Rockies roster, and of those only 3 actually played for the Rox in 2020.  The team card is useless in my opinion and should be used for another player.  Put team cards in Update if you need them, but not in a 660 card main set.  I can give them a pass on including Arenado because that is a recent trade (one that I am still not comfortable talking about).  I can also give them a pass on Murphy because he retired the same day the Nolan trade happened and at least he will get a full stat "sunset card."  David Dahl is somewhat okay simply he did end the season with the Rockies even though he didn't play much last year.  Yonathan Daza is a head scratcher because this is not his rookie card and he didn't play a single game in 2020.  In my opinion, there were a lot better options than Daza for that spot.  The other one that just befuddles me is Wade Davis.  Wade Davis was released before the 2020 season was even over.  Why is he there?  It is ridiculous that he is there instead of Daniel Bard or Mychal Givens or any other Rockies reliever.  


So to recap the answers to my questions were no, no, no, no, and no.  Sigh.  To top it off the Dodgers got a 20 card team set along with a 30 card Bellinger insert set.  Double sigh.  I really wasn't expecting much, but I was at least hoping for just one new Rockies player on a card and I didn't even get that.  Oh well, at least there is the 86 Topps insert set that I plan to build in full.  I may try to build the silver pack chrome version as well.  


Sorry for the bitter complaining, but it's better than not posting at all, isn't it?


Talk again later.

Thursday, January 14, 2021

A decade.

Hey everyone, it's been a while.  Today marks the 10th anniversary of the beginning of Cards from the Quarry.  Although, I don't know if it is fair to really call it an anniversary.  That would be like a married getting separated, but not divorced after 4 years and then celebrating a 10th anniversary.  Kinda weird, huh?  I know some of you from back then have gone right along and kept churning out really good stories and talk about cards and baseball in general.  I have kept the blog going technically as I have been constantly updating my want lists for the Rockies, but I have done so quietly.  Nevertheless, I felt like today I should check in with something that was a big part of my life for several years and just say hello if nothing else. 

I'll start with what I have been up since my last real post in June 2015.  I have maintained my presence in the hobby.  In fact, I have experienced nearly all aspects of the hobby which I will go into for anyone curious.  I was part of a Breakers community for over a year.  I was a "big hit" eBay seller in that time as well.  I was also part of the Beckett trading community for a while, but only with basketball.  More recently, I have been a Sportlots buyer/seller for the past 2+ years.  I have also recently gotten back into the blogging community via the great group breaks at Cardboard Collections and Nachos Grande.  Let's take a look into my opinion of the pluses and minuses in each of those parts of hobby.


Breakers

I spent a lot of late night time in 2016 and 2017 on the Breakers.tv website, specifically a break room called Card Collective.  I was drawn to it because it's a fairly small break room that focused more on the lower end and mid range stuff as opposed to most break rooms which would shut down without ridiculously overpriced like National Treasures or the rest of the high end stuff was unavailable.  But CC always had a nice mix of cards including non-sport stuff that I even started liking a bit.  He did hit drafts, team auctions where you bid on teams and could get stuff on the cheap, and stuff like division breaks where you got all the teams in a division for a set price.  I stopped going there because I was basically losing a lot more money than I realized.  It was fun, but it was not the same fun as here.

 

Pluses -  Lots of cards to see and acquire.  I got a lot of really nice cards there that I would have never seen otherwise.  Lots of time to chat about cards and sports in between breaks.  Very diverse when it comes to collectors and cards, some very good people.  I learned a lot about hockey, football, racing, non-sports, and other parts of the hobby that I had ignored completely.

Minuses -  Can get sneakily expensive.  It was very easy to overspend there.  Most collectors there weren't collectors at all.  They were the mojo buyers that didn't care one iota about the cards, just the value.  Even the people I liked were more into the money side of things than I was.  

 

eBay

Everyone knows what eBay is, so I am not going to bore you with a description of the site.  My time spent as a "big hit" seller sort of coupled with my time as a breaker.  On Breakers, I focused on the Rockies for myself, but I also got a lot of other stuff that just didn't fit with my collection, so I just did what came natural.  After I started selling on eBay, I tried buying groupings of cards (such as a lot of 50 parallels from a set) and selling them individually as well.  Which worked fairly well.  I stopped selling on eBay around the same time as leaving Breakers mainly because eBay stopped supporting the listing tool I was using and it became far less user-friendly for me.

 

Pluses -  Large audience.  Very secure money and shipping.  You really can make a lot of money there.  Could be fun at times such as searching for the lots. I would keep the ones I wanted and sell the rest and usually make a decent profit.

Minuses - I ended up with a lot of cards that didn't sell and I didn't particularly want to keep.  I still have a lot of them to this day as well.  Not a very interactive side of the hobby.  I like talking cards as much as collecting them and when you sell to an anonymous person, it's just not there.  

 

Beckett

I have noticed that one of the most divisive words in the hobby that can really set some people off is the word "Beckett."  Some people love it, but some people think it is one of the worst things about the hobby.  I am somewhat in the middle.  I do not care about Beckett's "book value" of cards at all, but their trading community was surprisingly nice.  I joined the Beckett trading community several years before I even joined Blogger, but I left once they started forcing you to buy price guides in order to trade there.  I did rejoin in late 2017 with the intent of trading away my inventory from my Breakers/eBay stay.  Although I only ended up getting my basketball stuff on there, I did make quite a few trades.

 

Pluses - Practically every card ever made in all genres is on their database.  You can't ask for much more than that.  It was very easy to find both owners of cards I wanted and more importantly people that desired the cards I had.  It was also easy to find team/player collectors to trade away not only the "good stuff,: but the common cards as well. 

Minuses - The cost is the biggest minus.  You have to buy a price guide subscription in order to trade there.  As large as the community was, it wasn't really that active.  Most trades I completed were ones I asked about.  Very few offers came toward me.  I enjoyed finding the right home for a card I had as much as getting something for myself.  I just didn't feel that many people shared that vision.  

 

Sportlots

Since 2018, I have found a home with Sportlots under the name "zebuflew" which is a portmanteau of my eBay ID "Richmond Zebu" and my ID everywhere else of "hiflew."  I have been regularly selling there for over two years and have built up a decent amount of credibility and a few regular customers there.  It started relatively slow maybe selling enough to buy a couple of blasters or few trips to COMC  a month, but once the pandemic hit, my sales skyrocketed.  I don't want to get into the numbers, but let's just say this summer I was selling a lot of expensive cards.  The rookie card boom and my selling coincided very nicely.  As a collector I hate the rookie card boom, but it really helped me as a seller.  It has since leveled off somewhat mainly due to my inventory of big rookies being depleted, but I am still pulling in decent sales specifically with basketball cards right now.  They are just super hot.


Pluses (as a seller) - A great place to unload unwanted cards in turnkey fashion.  I basically check the site once a day and if I have no orders move on.  If I have orders, I print, package, and am usually done in 10 minutes or so.  You get paid altogether by the site at the beginning of the month, so the amount is greater than expected most of time and I can buy bigger things without having to save for myself (something I have never been good at).

Minuses (as a seller) - Only getting paid at the beginning of the month means you need to keep a small bankroll to pay for shipping the cards because you don't see that money until the beginning of the month as well.  It takes a long time to inventory all your cards.  In fact, I have most of my basketball listed, but baseball is limited to 2012-2019 right now.  Eventually I plan to list everything I have, but it takes time.


So I have been a very diverse collector over the past 5+ years.  I have also been a regular commenter on several sports and card websites under various names.  The one thing that has not changed is my Rockies collection is still thriving.  I am currently around 24,000 unique Rockies and my personal inventory database is nearly complete.  I have everything catalogued except multiplayer Rockies cards.  I have 23,033 plus an estimated 800 multiplayer cards right now.  I also have a bunch sitting in my COMC mailbox since April, but the less said about that, the better for now.  I should pass the 25,000 mark somewhere around March.  Considering when I started this blog, my Rockies collection was around 250, I should thank a lot of you for helping me get to the current insanely high number.


I may decide to post regularly again.  The reason I stopped was a crippling case of writer's block and by the time I finally got over that, I just didn't think anyone really missed me that much.  I'm not "pity-partying" here, I just didn't feel what I was doing really mattered that much to people.  But I digress.  I have ideas, both old ones that went unfinished and new ones that I have not seen done anywhere.  So I may come back to explore them along with showing off my collection and maybe trading some as well.  I don't want to promise, because I don't know for sure right now, but I really do want to catch the writing bug again.  


Anyway, thanks for reading if you are around.  I know my number of followers remained around the same so I assume I was just hanging out at the bottom of most of your blogrolls for a long time.   Either way, thanks for reading and maybe we can talk again later.

Saturday, February 13, 2016

Miscellaneous Insert Set Want List

 

 

1986 Big League Chew Home Run Legends - COMPLETE

1998 Upper Deck Blue Chip Prospects 
1, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 15, 18, 20, 25, 26, 27, 29 

2000 Fleer/Tradition Hall's Well
5, 9, 10, 11
 
2003 Topps/Heritage Chrome
1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 16, 17, 23, 26, 27, 29, 35, 36, 38, 43, 44, 51, 55, 56, 65, 72, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 82, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 94, 97, 99

2004 Topps Presidential Pastime - COMPLETE
 
2005 Fleer/Tradition Diamond Tributes - COMPLETE
 
2009 Topps/Update Propaganda - COMPLETE
 
2009 Upper Deck/O Pee Chee Face of the Franchise
30
 
2012 Topps 1987 Minis
127, 150
  
2020 Topps/Allen & Ginter Down on the Farm - COMPLETE
 
2020 Topps/Big League Defensive Wizards - COMPLETE
 
2020 Topps/Utz
8, 12, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 24, 26, 30, 31, 32, 37, 40, 45, 47, 48, 49, 51, 53, 54, 56, 58. 62, 65, 69, 70, 73, 74, 78, 86, 90, 91, 94, 95, 99, 100

2021 Topps Double Headers - COMPLETE 
 
2021 Topps/Update 1992 Redux - COMPLETE
 
2023 Topps/Allen & Ginter Only In... Minis
18